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K. C. Luck

and Jamey Moody. 

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Hey there, and welcome to episode 50 of the Three Lesbians and a Pen podcast. I'm Kimberly Todd, and I'm here with my fabulous friends, KC Luck and Jamey Moody. Today we're talking about key words, but before we start, this is our 50th episode, you guys!

Woo.

Yay us. And for those of you out there that don't know, it's very hard to get to your 50th episode. A lot of podcasts don't last that long, so we should be proud of ourselves.

Yeah, that deserves a big old Hootie hoo.

And then one other special thing I wanna say before we start, someone has a birthday this week.

It's that old wise lesbian isn't it.

I did not know that. Oh...

Happy birthday. Hootie hoo.

Yeah. Thank you. It's a coming. It's a coming.

Wow.

Yeah. Yep. You just had one, so it's my turn, I guess.

Yeah.

Well, since you're the birthday girl, how was your week?

 My week was good. what I did notice, well, there's two things. First thing, my week was good, except for one thing. I don't know. I know, KC doesn't watch a lot of tv, but Kimberly, I know you do and I do. I have YouTube TV, it's one of the subscription services I use and they are having a dispute with Disney, and so that meant my ABC which I love. Good Morning America. I watched that and that means all my ESPNs went away. So, I missed, my beloved Aggie volleyball team beat Texas big rivalry three to two, so I missed that. I've missed all kinds of sports stuff because ESPN is gone and it just is aggravating because sure, I could switch to another subscription service, but then they'll end up having some kind of dispute with, someone else, and I'll lose those channels for a little bit.

It's just very aggravating, frustrating. So, I was living through that 'cause it'll go for a few days and they usually resolve it and it's always about money, you know? So, yeah. So anyway, so that, that happened, but when I did get up this morning, I was looking at something else and I saw that it's National Sandwich Day. I think that's kind of fun. I love a good sandwich. I don't know about y'all.

Any excuse to eat a sandwich.

Yeah.

 Do you have a favorite sandwich?

Of course. It's the Italian hoagie. Come on. 

Yes. Yes, me too. That's my favorite, sandwich. High five!

Yeah, that would be a good one, man. And I love all the different breads and stuff.

Mm-hmm.

My favorite is my wife, I'll say, oh, you want a sandwich? I'm gonna stop at the sub shop. And she goes, oh God, no. So, I get her an Italian sub and I bring it home and she's like, oh good, you got me one. 

Well, hey, hey. You're in Jersey. Do you do Jersey Mike's?

Yeah. We have one on the corner. We like it.

 It's good. 

Jersey Mikes. 

It is good. We have a local yokel one.

Yeah. We even had them weigh down here in Texas. But, I love love em. Oh yeah. 

Yeah. I love a jersey, Mike. All of that, red wine vinegar stuff they put on. Some people don't like that, but I do. 

Makes it too soggy.

 Yeah. See there, I shoulda known.

You know, the word soggy just brings too many things to mind.

Wow. That's hmm. 

Oh, hey, by the time this one comes out, let me add one more thing, I got a new book coming out. Book number four in the Wishing Star Series, which is gonna end it. You have another epic epilogue by Jamey Moody in there. Yeah, the name is Wishes Don't Come True. It comes out November 17th. My early arc reviews are great. People have laughed and cried and all this, and I'm like, oh, that's good. So anyway, the epilogue is gonna be epic in that last book. So, I just want everybody to know November 17th, that's when it comes out. There's a pre-order live, so, feel free to go click, click, click.

Buy, buy, buy. Read read, read, download, download, download.

 Because it's a good one. I'm telling you. I know, I always say that, but this is a really good one anyway. Yeah. Oh, I have different reminders that come up on my phone or on my watch every day, you know, giving you a little encouragement and one of them says, this is the best thing I've ever written. So there you go, folks.

There you go.

This is the best thing I've ever written, so, okay. Who's next? What have y'all been up to? How about KC?

I also have a book coming out in November, not until the end of the month, it's actually novella. It's everybody needs a hero at Christmas. It's, kind of a follow up to the original Everybody Needs a Hero. It's set at Christmas time, has a little adventure. I think it's gonna be a big hit. A big hit with those people who like the first book, but it, again, it's a novella. It's about 40,000 words, so it's gonna be a little shorter than they might want, but I only had a month to write it, so there you go. 

Yeah, but that's about right for a novella. 40,000. That's about right. 

Oh, I was hoping for a novel. I was hoping for novel length.

Oh, you were? Oh yeah. But a lot of people think that Christmas books are supposed to be novellas.

You didn't pull a Jae, is what you're saying.

Yeah, exactly. Have it turned in to be this epic thing? Yes. No, I did not. And then of course there was Halloween. Halloween was mixed in there. The night before Halloween, my girlfriend, her daughter, and I carved pumpkins, which was a lot of fun. They're both super artistic people, so of course their pumpkins are these elaborate aliens and gremlins and mine's like the traditional you know, crooked mouth, triangle eyes, so...

Wawa.

That's ok.

 I used to like to do that though, when my nieces and nephews were little and everything. Those are fun. I hadn't thought about that in a while.

Yeah. And then of course Halloween was the next night and I was also at my girlfriend's house 'cause she lives in a neighborhood and there were lots of trick or treaters who would come the door. Some tiny little ones who were just most adorable dressed up like princesses and stuff. We had like a 3-year-old come up there, toddling along as a, it was like a lion and lion outfit and he so, so cute. It is, just love it. And then you get the teenagers later. And they're just like, gimme candy. Yeah, gimme the candy. 

 Did you dress up or anything?

I was watching the Dodger game, which is the last thing I wanna talk about. Dodgers have won the World Series. Woo hoo. Yes. And I'm a big Dodger fan, so I'm very happy. It was exciting series, exciting last game, and so I am over the moon that my team has won back-to-back World Series. I'm very proud of it.

I was able to watch that show. It was not on ABC or ESPN, so I was able to watch that.

Me too. It was good. 

Mm-hmm. 

Exciting. 

 Mm-hmm. 

So 

I'm still working on my secret project that I love doing, and I'm enjoying that very much. And then the only thing I wanted to say is, do you guys ever listen to the podcast, Good Hang, with Amy Poehler?

Occasionally, depends on who your guest is. 

Yeah, well you need to go because she had Kate McKinnon on, and I'm telling you, it is so funny because since she gave up Saturday Night Live and moved out into the woods on like a farm, she loves doing woodworking and stuff like that. But the funniest thing is she is preparing for the apocalypse, but she said I only prepared for four days. 'cause I figure if I make it four days, that's like a win.

There you go.

So anyways, if you haven't listened to that podcast, that is definitely a good one to listen to. 

Oh, that sounds fun. 

 So do we have any texts this week?

 We do, we have three texts that came through, so, Zena. I apologize to you specifically. I did forget you the last time we had a podcast because you send them through Patreon chat and sometimes I forget to write them down because I'm 57 and there you go. So, oh, Kimberly was drinking during that.

Almost spit my tea out.

And now she's not.

She dropped the 57 excuse, ok...

There you go. 

And now she's choaking.

But I remembered this time and keywords that they like is ice queen and they prefer them super frosty, but also enjoy reading books with ice queens that melt rather quickly. And since I can't write an ice queen to save my life, and I know Jamey writes them like ice cream. So there you go.

Well wait, I was gonna say I've got one that melts quickly. Try that book three in the Wishing Star Series.

There you go. 

And Cheryl also texts us, said, key word is lesbian romance. And they know that it's a general term, but it opens up a ton of authors and then they just scroll and scroll until they see something that attracts their eye, which is a good, kind of a push to let people know you gotta get that cover looking good and blurb. That's definitely what the hook is.

Last but not least, CeeJay uses Sapphic, Thriller, Mystery, Dystopian are the most used keywords and I'm not sure if they talk about them like combined like sapphic, thriller 'cause they were commas in the text. But I would, recommend that if you're looking for anything along the lines of sapphic dystopian. I have a series that you may wanna look at.

Yeah, you do. 

That's it for text. How about emails?

Yeah, CeeJay also emailed. She said, check the text, about, the keywords that you were just talking about. But she said she usually goes to the bottom of the Amazon page from wherever she's snagging a book from, and looks at similar authors. She says, that's gotten me to authors like Kimberly and Rachel Lacey, and several others. She said, as an aside, I had to listen twice to this podcast.

I hear you. 

It's a little short. So, but we also got an email from Cheryl. She's just a hoot. She said, happy National Godzilla Day. She said, I'm a big, yeah. I'm a big fanatic Godzilla buff.

My living room is wall to wall Godzilla collectibles. Much to my little woman's dismay. She said, I hope this brings you as much joy as it will me. And I wrote her back and I said, I understand, the dismay of your little woman. But anyway, you know what, people love things. So happy Godzilla Day to you too, Cheryl. All along with Sandwich today. So there you go.

There you go.

Actually, I have three Godzilla figurines. Yes I do thanks to Cheryl. She shared them with me many, many years ago now actually when we were first becoming friends. And I have the Godzilla and I have two others. And Cheryl's gonna listen to this and go. Damn it, KC, I told you what those other ones were.

I know one is like a baby Godzilla, which is like a moth or something. So I have them. I have them on the shelf. I just don't always know what they mean. So thank you again for that gift and happy Godzilla Day.

And thank y'all for emailing. I'll tell you what, it's kind of funny since we went to every other week with the podcast, sometimes we don't get answers to our questions until after we've recorded. But this is perfect 'cause I got those this morning. And both of 'em are about keywords too, which we'll be talking about here in just a little bit. But, anyway, yeah, thank you. And please keep answering and keep writing in. 

Mm-hmm. 

And then for Insta, there was none this week, but we're talking about keywords. KC, you wanna start us off?

Well, I can talk about keywords as far as the algorithm is concerned, because that's why keywords are so important. That's why we keep talking about them, and then we're doing an update. The algorithm for Amazon is basically a set of rules that Amazon uses to decide what to show the customers. So they have this elaborate A9, A10, A11, whatever, where they have these algorithms that make it so that your book appears in certain order, certain places in search results, and of course, the bottom line is, Amazon is doing all this calculations not to sell books on your behalf, but to make money for Amazon. So that's why keywords are important, is those algorithms. And I know that Jamey and Kimberly know a hell of a lot more about them because they've done more research and I just kinda wing it. So.

Well, I don't know a lot about it. There's been a lot of talk about it lately. Because it's changed. And I think what happens is, bottom line is we don't know what Amazon is doing. All we can do is look at what has happened and kind of try to figure out what the changes are.

And then people start talking about the changes and they're calling this one, A10 and, Kimberly's gonna tell you a little bit more about that in just a second, but, the thing that I saw this week, I've been seeing it for a while now. They said that the new algorithm is more holistic and what it does is it emphasizes authentic engagement, offsite visibility and professional presentation. Sales bursts or keyword heavy strategies no longer have the same impact, and that's where the keywords, you know, come into play.

But what they're saying is now, and I kind of find this hard to believe they are giving more credence to people that come from outside Amazon looking for a book, I guess, and click on it. They want these people coming from outside Amazon or people that are already in Amazon, I guess, looking for a book. Is that how they're saying it? They want outside engagement.

Which is ironic because on Facebook they penalize you for including links that take you to outside sources. So I know. So it's like, what the hell? You know, you try to use Facebook to go to Amazon to get something on their keywords to get ranked better and Facebook shuts you down. So go figure.

All Right, Kimberly, explain it to us.

Well, here's the deal It's really called A9, which is their algorithm, but authors are now calling it A10 because recently, last couple of months a bunch of changes have happened. Amazon has found that they're getting more competition from places like Walmart who just signed a data sharing deal with Chat, GBT. And then Temu has really low pricing, which is very competitive. And then a lot of authors are doing their own direct to consumer Kickstarters. So between that and the AI powered shopping bots, Amazon is worried that people are gonna start finding things away from their site.

So to piggyback, on top of what Jamey said, they are rewarding authors, not so much when you used to do your ads or keyword stuff your title or your subtitle, or even your seven KDP keywords. They are rewarding people or authors specifically, that are sending traffic from outside of Amazon to Amazon.

So that could be through Facebook ads, BookBub ads, your email list is huge now. Big deal. And any type of social media. So you wanna try to get into more promotions. Where we used to, do a launch and you would do as many, promos as you could in like one or two or three days.

And these, like these quick sales spikes, but then all of a sudden it disappears. That no longer works for you as much as it used to. They don't put as much emphasis on it as they used to. 

So I'm confused a little bit about, so Amazon ads don't work as well, even though they are Amazon based.

 That's right.

Right. That's what they are saying. 

 They still work. They're just not getting the organic boost that you used to get. So you would do an ad in the past when you launched a book, and that would help get you up into the higher ranking. It's not gonna work that way anymore. So they have an emphasis on it, but not as much as these other things that I just mentioned. 

Hmm. Hmm. 

Which seems crazy because that makes you think, oh, so I won't do an Amazon ad then, or my Amazon ads aren't as important, which makes you not spend as much money on 'em. So you would think that that wouldn't make sense? And I'm not so sure it does because I did a little test kind of, the last say, three or four months. I haven't spent as much on Amazon ads and I have seen it reflected in my sales. And I don't know that it had anything to do with my sales or not, but this past month, in October. I, did a couple of different auto ads that I don't usually do, and then changed a couple of ads and let 'em run, and so my advertising is gonna cost me more this month, but my sales were better, so I don't know if they have anything to do with that or not, so it's just, it's really curious and confusing.

Okay, so one thing that I noticed, Jamey, is you are sending out emails, right? Where you're promoting, you've been doing it for about a couple months now, where you're promoting your series. 

Yeah, I've been spotlighting. a series every week. You're right. Yes.

Right. And that's one of the things that's also part of this update, if you wanna call it that. Amazon is looking for people to have read through. So if they go for book one and they right when they're getting book one, they download book two and three, that helps you as an author. So that's another thing to focus on. It doesn't mean that standalones aren't as good. So if they go and do a standalone and then they get a couple of your other books, that's just the same type of thing. And also read through as far as the full book, reading all of the pages of the book.

Interesting. Yeah, I did see pretty good sales for the book seven, so it actually hung up there a little longer than I thought it would've 'cause usually by, getting that deep into my series, some of the legs are not as strong to hold it up there for a week or so. You know, it usually falls pretty quickly. But actually this book seven's done pretty well. So maybe it's the read through you're talking about, 'cause that was kind of a surprise. 

Yeah, I'm wondering because this next book that is coming out is book four. So, but I'll tell you what, I am emailing my newsletter each week this month too. One is because of the new release, but secondly, I'm gonna highlight one of my Christmas books. I have four Christmas books, and so I'm gonna highlight one of them every week too, because it's time for those to start appearing. I haven't had a lot of people unsubscribe because I'm emailing more often, but I do think your newsletter is so important. So I'm giving them a lot more attention. Because I have this new release coming out, I have been doing a bunch of keyword research the last two or three weeks. Because obviously I wanna get 'em right because it is a book four and that already makes it not quite as popular as the others would be because you don't know about the read through. So you gotta really hope that you nail those. We are in our own little niche with, sapphic, lesbian romance, fiction, however you wanna look at it. And I tell you, I, did all the different tropes. I researched, the different ways you say queer, lesbian, sapphic bisexual, and the keywords that over and over are the best ones still, at least as far as Amazon goes, because that's what we're talking about is lesbian romance and lesbian fiction followed by sapphic romance and sapphic fiction. It amazes me because I really thought the keywords would have, and I'm using Kindlepreneur, and several other different ways to look at keywords, but I really thought that the tropes, because they seem so important now, would, have a lot more, you know, but I was surprised it's still lesbian fiction, lesbian romance. 

Yeah. And just to tie in why we were talking about A10 is that the A10 looks at your books themselves, the title, subtitle, blurb, the seven KDP boxes, and the categories that you choose along with your author name. And if the content that you put in there, which includes your keywords and all the metadata and all the things I just mentioned, if it doesn't believe that what you put is what your book is, if it doesn't see a correlation and think, Hey, what the author told me, really is a hundred percent accurate to their book. Then it's going to take your book and stick it either in another category that doesn't match you. And here's a good example. Let's say you had the title of your book was Diet Bootcamp. Your book could actually, when read by the AI, you know, A10, could be put into military bootcamp instead of dietary things. So those are the kinds of things you need to think of. Don't be too creative with your subtitle or your title, or you might get banged or it'll consider it a key word.

Mm-hmm. Mm.

Yeah. And I used a subtitle on this book, which I don't always do, but the subtitle is exactly what the book is. It's a sapphic second chance romance. And so it's not bad to have it on there. It's on the cover because I want that, and it says in the blurb, it's a tender sapphic romance. So there's two places that it is.

This was interesting. The keyword I used for this one was sapphic, L-G-B-T-Q, second chance, all of that in one line. I found that the letters L-G-B-T-Q are, good to use in a key word, and also WLW for women loving women, that also gets some traction. It did this time. I didn't see queer getting as much traction as it usually does, and I was a little surprised at the letters. But, man, it's just having lesbian romance, lesbian fiction in there is important and also sapphic somewhere supposedly if you put lesbian in there one place, you don't have to use it any place else. But I do, put it in the other ones because I wanna be sure. I don't know. What do y'all think?

Mm-hmm.

 In a recent update from Kindlepreneur, he said, for the category specifically, you should definitely use one of the seven KDP, boxes to put your exact category. So lesbian romance, even though it is a category that you chose. Put it there as well, lesbian romance. 

And where do we need to be? I mean, for me, 'cause I'm always in one lane. I need to be lesbian fiction and I need to be lesbian romance. Unless the book I'm talking about, has a bisexual character, I will put it in that. And so those are the three categories for us. I mean, now, KC, obviously your action and adventure and Kimberly, your mysteries, but it's also L-G-B-T-Q isn't it? Or lesbian. 

Yeah, so I just hear so much about these keywords are so important and you need to be here. I just need to take me to lesbian fiction or lesbian romance. 'cause that's where my kind of readers are gonna find the book.

 I do one thing when it comes to keywords. This is my trick for researching basically and I've used it since the very beginning and it still seems to work 'cause my books still do pretty well, is I go up to the Amazon search bar. And I type in what I would like people to use to find my book and make sure my book comes up.

So I put in lesbian, adventure, romance, and if my darkness book does not come up, I go make sure my keywords are perfectly aligned with that exact search term. And they, 99% of the time they come up on the first page.

And that comes in the dropdown box when you type it Yep. Yep. Exactly. So I will always make sure that is aligned.

Mm-hmm.

Kimberly, you were telling me about a strategy you'd use when you use, Publisher Rocket, the reverse ASIN. 

Oh yeah. So I basically you go and let's say you pick your, three, well, you can do two ways, you can do it for category, so you can pick your three categories, like lesbian fiction, lesbian romance, and whatever the third one is you want. And then Publisher Rocket will tell you the key words for those three categories.

And then let's say for lesbian fiction, the keywords that come up are, there's like 20 of them and then you do lesbian romance and there's another 20. And what you can do is take like two from each of them and use that as one of your seven KDP boxes. So that's another way to do it.

And then reverse ASIN. So you can take someone that you think your book is very similar to. Let's say, and you can take four or five of the top ones that are doing really well and they're very much aligned with your book. And you go into Publisher Rocket and you put in the ASIN number and do reverse A-S-I-N and it will tell you the key words for each of those books. So let's say you have a Jamey, I won't say it's sweet romance, but a romance with sweet characters. 

It's okay. It's okay. Sweet and spicy. Sweet and spicy.

So let's say you have a sweet romance like Jamey and there's several other authors that come up. You would take the top ones that you see. I usually try to pick indie books 'cause that helps you. And do the reverse ASIN and they will give you probably like 20 to 21 keywords. And that's another pool where you can you know, pick them and put them into your seven KDP boxes, and that helps the algorithm or Amazon to know, okay, it's lesbian romance or lesbian fiction category, and it has these like six top genre words that connect those highly selling books with yours. And so then it will put you in the category and it'll probably push you up higher in the views or whatever.

Mm-hmm. Do they still have the restrictions on certain words you can't use, like other author titles and the word bestseller and things like that? Is that still the case?

 And books. You're not supposed to use the word books or novels.

I do. 

So, book and novel you can use. You just don't wanna overuse it, like don't have it everywhere. Especially if it relates to what a customer would put in. So if they're gonna put in lesbian romance books, then that's okay, because that's a natural search term that a customer or a reader would put into the search bar.

But if you did like lesbian, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, a hundred things, and then books, books, books everywhere, then it would flip out and tell you no. but to your point, you can't use, Kindle Unlimited, you can't use bestseller. You can't use anything like free or anything like that, that's gonna try to bring attention to your book. That could bring attention to anybody's book and therefore cause trouble.

And I am assuming I still do not use those spicy terms like erotica if you want be found anywhere on Amazon.

What about Moist? No.

 What'd you say earlier? Uh, not sap. Not oh, soggy.

Soggy lesbian romance.

Oh God.

I used, spicy this time around WLW Romance, Spicy was one of the seven KDP, keywords that had a lot of traction. So I used it in this one. 

Wow. That was risky.

I think what they want you to do is try to avoid a lot of redundant words. So if you have it like nine times, then maybe you could get rid of a couple of them, put some other word in either your, subtitle, your blurb or your... 

I have lesbian in there four times. It looks like this time.

Yeah, but that's okay. I'm just saying like, if it's too much, too redundant is, you know.

Lesbian, lesbian, lesbian, lesbian. 

Well, books, books, works as a hashtag.

There you go. Yeah.

You know, one time they said, just fill that with all, what is it, 50 characters you get or whatever. And I would have these long, oh, let me put sapphic in there. Oh, let me put so and so in there... And I...

Yeah. 

And here's another thing that I saw and I haven't done it. I don't know if you guys have tried it, but they're recommending that you should be looking at your keywords and monitoring them. I'm talking about specifically the seven KDP boxes and that you're supposed to update them every 90 days.

I don't do that. 

No. 

I mean, the ones that aren't performing, in other words, you're supposed to change out like one or two. 

All right, so update. I'm gonna write that down. So update keywords every 90 days. Okay.

Yes. Mm-hmm.

I guess I better go back to some of those earlier books that have been like seven years old. 

And they're really irrelevant. 

Exactly. Uh.

The other thing that's super important, and we've heard this before, but it really is all about matching reader's search language. And you'll get rewarded for that too. So the things that you put in your seven KDP boxes should be something that a person would actually search for.

Yeah, definitely.

Well, but that's what I was saying. That surprised me because this book happens to be a second chance, and so if I put sapphic, second chance it didn't do so well in the keywords. I was just really surprised. I only used it once. That's what I mean. The tropes, now Ice Queen, I think that's gonna be obviously very popular. But this one wasn't an age gap, so I didn't use it, but it just surprised me 'cause I thought the tropes would do better. They would, show, better results, but they didn't where I was looking.

Yeah, it's weird.

That was strange.

I don't know how many of you out there do Amazon ads, but I do know from my recent work, that Publisher Rocket keywords have been helping me. So I've been making some ads with just keywords, like doing a bunch of categories or one specific book and author. That's amazing. That's doing really well, and that's been helping a lot. So. 

Hmm. 

Could try it yourself and see.

Yep. Amazon ads, blah. 

They still help. I'm a firm believer that they help. 

Okay. Okay. 

I know now it makes you wonder though, if you need to try Facebook ads, but I just, I haven't ever really dabbled in those, so... 

Mm. No, I don't wanna learn. 

BookBub ads. I know you did those, Jamey. Do you think those had anything to do with it?

 I've got three bookbook ads going right now. Matter of fact. And I get an email about one or two of them nearly every day saying, Hey, your ad's not performing so well. Maybe you need to make some adjustments. 

Oh, Bummer. 

Oh.

I keep running them. I'm also trying Written Word Media, because that's an outside source that'll get 'em to Amazon. I'll tell you listeners right now, y'all will be the first to know, 'cause I haven't told anybody else this yet. On, November the 17th, when book four comes out, I'm going to make book one, Wish Upon a Rainbow Star Free, and I'm doing a promo in, Written Word Media then too, for the free book. So we'll see how that helps. But yeah, so all of you listeners, November 17th, you can get the book free. 

Yeah. And I'm on my fourth Written Word, Media, promo, and I have a new one coming out in November, which I'm gonna say in my newsletter. But they have been really successful so far, and they have so many to choose from. 

Mm-hmm. 

So it's an outside source. they're getting better on their, L-G-B-T-Q. I think they're getting more, readers, on their lists. That's the only thing is you get into the mainstream, which is fine, but then you don't always keep those people that they add because they're like, eh, you know.

And they're like, here comes another lesbo book, unsubscribe. 

On the gay stuff. Yeah. So click. Yeah. So click, but then you're like, maybe you should try this.

Ah, that's funny.

Okay. So next week we are gonna be talking about the pros and cons of pen names. KC, do we have a question of the week? 

I do. So are you willing to hop genres if they're under the same name, or do you prefer multiple pen names so you know what lane you're in or what bucket you're falling in? So Jamey doesn't write anything other than sweet and spicy romances. There you go. Got it. Right.

Triple gold star.

But Kimberly does dabble in a few different kind of niches or genres, and of course, I'm all over the fucking place. So I was just wondering, especially when it comes to mine, I did switch out KC Knight for my erotica titles, and I'm wondering did that make an impact or did people just get confused? So, yeah. So do you prefer different pen names or do you like 'em all under one?

 Well, let's ask too, then let's ask our listeners the ones that are readers. Would you take a chance on the same author in a different genre? Right? 

How about a completely different genre, like something crazy different?

Yeah. Or do you think, you would want it under another name. You know what I mean? Would you trust Jamey Moody to write you a, what's something?

Erotica?

Well, that's not as big of a stretch. Maybe a fantasy. Uh. 

 Or horror. How about a horror? 

Oh yeah. Wow. 

Yeah. 

Horror would be really good. 

I'd read that. Yeah, that'd be interesting. 

Jamey Moody. Would you trust Jamey Moody to give you a good old horror story? So see, that's the question.

With a little bit of sweet murderers. 

Sweet. Spicy. Murderers.

She'd change those murderers right around. That's what she'd do she'd do.

She killed them, but she didn't mean to. 

Yeah. She still loved them. 

My friends, my friends.

Okay. Well, that's it for this week. Thanks for listening.

Thank you and talk to you next time.

 CeeJay I hope you're able to get your full walk in from this episode. So thanks for listening. Don't forget November 17th, the book comes out. Hootie hoo.

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