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K. C. Luck

and Jamey Moody. 

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Hey there. Welcome to episode 16 of the Three Lesbians and a Pen podcast. I'm Kimberly Todd and I'm here with my fabulous friends, KC Luck and Jamey Moody. Today, we're talking about, novellas versus full length books and series versus standalone. But before we jump into that huge topic, how is everyone's week? KC?

I had a really good week. Yet again, I'm bringing up the super-secret project. I have sent that off to the editor. Hooray.

Oh, awesome. 

A big milestone. So..Yes, it is in her, fine hands. And I don't have to think about it for a while. That's the best part. You don't have to think about the book for a couple of weeks. So that's awesome.

And also on the personal side, I went to a Christmas tree lighting with my girlfriend. It was very fun. There was Christmas carols and hot chocolate and I haven't done anything like that in decades probably. So, it was just really fun to get in the spirit and have a really good time. So yeah.

Oh, that's good. 

Jamey that sounds like one of your books.

Doesn't it though, huh?

There's a story there.

That's funny that you bring that up because, my standalone, What Now, that's been out a little over a year, it has a lot of the things that happened in my small town, in it. And one of them is the Christmas stroll is what it's called. And they had that here last week. So, and I thought about that book. I was like, Oh, I know who's down on the square for that.

We have a Christmas stroll in my town too. Is it to go shopping in the local town?

Yeah. You can do that. But then they also have a Christmas parade and, our, high school football team was in the playoffs. And so they did a pep rally after that. So, yeah. it was fun. Yeah. 

But it's just you had a good time. Yeah. 

It's just funny that you bring that up. So no, I didn't get to go because I was still sick.

I couldn't get rid of this cold, but I started feeling better over the weekend. And so yesterday, I thought, man, I got to do something because I haven't done any kind of exercise. And exercise helps me, mentally, physically, emotionally, all the things. So, I thought, well, I hadn't done a kick boxing workout in forever.

So, I thought, I think I'll, pull one of those up and so I did, I did maybe 30 minutes of kickboxing and I thought, okay, yeah, fine. And so, I went to play pickleball this afternoon and I thought, what in the hell is wrong with my hips? Why am I so old and slow and in pain. And then it dawned on me, well you dumbass, you were doing kickboxing yesterday. 

You're

Hello? 

Yeah, so I'm old and tired

You're not.

And sore, but I still had fun. So...

You kickbox. That says enough.

Yeah. Kickboxing. Yeah. Don't mess with me now.

You are Definitely not old if you're kickboxing.

We can mess with you now, because you are all tired but other than that…

Have y'all ever tried it? Kickboxing is fun.

It's. Those workouts are fun. I mean, you don't do them with another person like I'd ever hit anybody.

No of course, I mean, yeah

I'm the one that would run, scream and run.

I would definitely fall over. That's all I have to say.

Yeah.

Now I've taken some martial arts training so, yeah, it's pretty cool. 

Kimberly, what were you up to? Well we went shopping, which was fun. We went out to dinner and then what we did, we've had terrible weather in New Jersey. It's like monsooning rain and really cold, like 32 feeling like 20. That's very cold for us.

I wouldn't like that either.

Yeah, and so we binge watched The Day of the Jackal with Eddie Redmayne.

Oh, I love it. Yes, Eddie Redmayne.

Redmayne, that's it, sorry. Yes. I've been watching that. They're eight episodes in. Oh, it's so good It's getting toward the end.

We watched all eight. So that gives you an idea of what we did.

Yeah. So now what do you think's gonna happen?

That's what I know comes out on Thursdays on Peacock if you want to know.

I just don't want him to get caught because that will make me so annoyed. So, I hope he doesn't get caught.

No spoilers.

Oh, he hadn't gotten caught yet.

Oh, shoot. You’re right. 

I don't know though. You know what? I think he's gonna get caught and his wife is the one that's gonna kill him because she's so mad at him right now So anyway, it's a good show is. It's a good show

And then the big news was I wrote 2,700 words today, which for people that don't know, that's huge for me. 

Huge. That'd be huge for me, too. Yeah. 

I have a question, though. Did you handwrite them or did you type them?

I typed them but with two fingers.

Oh, it's okay.

Baby steps! 

And the crowd goes wild.

We need one of those tracks.

Yeah. Nicely done.

Good for you. We are trying to get Kimberly to write faster. That's what she wants, is to write more books faster. 

That's a big step because I type what I hand, used to handwrite. Okay, did we have anyone that wrote in to us this week?

Well, let me see here. We got one from Memphis again that says that she loves the podcast. Isn't that the best? I love that. It's not only informative, but hilarious. I love the way you three feet off of each other. That's the best. I agree. This is so fun.

Yeah, we enjoy It 

Yes. My answer for this week's question is books. I love to collect books not as novellas, but in book form. So, stay safe. That was very sweet text.

And then from L.A., Yes, this is Jules.

That's Jules, that's

Hello Jules.

Good to know you can't respond. OMG, I'm still laughing. That episode is hilarious. As a reader, I love a good novella. Hello, Holiday Layover. Ha ha. Plug for me. 

Ah, 

Yay. Nice. 

Good stories are good stories, short, long, really long. That sentence reads different after your podcast.

That's pretty cute.

I will, however, sometimes avoid a really short novella unless it is recommended or has a ton of good reviews. Sometimes things can be too short. And then there's a winky emoji.

Yeah,

I'll leave it at that. Hope you have a great week. I'm looking forward to the next episode.

Thanks Jules. We got a couple of emails. One was from Cheryl. She said the podcast was great. She likes that we were talking about characters that were older. She said she's in her sixties and still very active. And I'm taking that to mean active in what we were talking about last week, because she says, I like a good door to have a great weekend and stay safe because I mentioned, you know, that my characters will go through a door and then slam that door.

And yeah. Anyway. Jules emailed and had a question for us this is mainly for Kimberly. I think it's pretty cute, too She says I think we all know that Kimberly finds it next to impossible to write a novella, but you and KC have written them. So, this question is for the both of you. Do you find it easier or harder to write a novella versus a full-length book and we will be talking about those, so stay tuned.

Yes.

And then we actually got a couple for Instagram this week. And Evie wrote us and said that she actually likes sexy communication, otherwise known as talking during sex. So, I thought that was interesting. And I wanted to ask her, so what do you like to hear? That could be very helpful, Evie.

Yes, it could.

If you care to share.

I look forward to that next comment. That's pretty good.

And then Jules did. I think she was sweet. And she wrote in on Instagram too, that we cracked her up and that she thought the consensus to avoid the word moist. Everyone thinks that and then again, she asked if I thought that I could write a novella, which I quickly wrote, I don't think so.

Oh, I love it. 

So I think we'll move on now to our episode where we're going to be talking about novellas versus full length books, and series versus standalones. And KC, you had a few things you want to start with.

Yeah, so not to slow everything down a little bit, but I think I want to define what a novella is, as opposed to a full length. So, for the authors out there, you'll understand that it's 20,000 to 50, 000, words for a novella. And for the readers, that's about 60 or up to 120 pages. And anything past that is considered full length.

And if you're Kimberly, that's basically just a walk in the park. So

Yeah. That's chapter one through five. 

Yeah, exactly.

Just a prologue. And then we're going 

Yeah. 

to talk about standalones

versus series. And now a standalone, tells a complete story. So kind of like a film, most films, they just have a beginning, middle end, and then that's it. There's no more. It's not Star Wars necessarily, but just a regular film.

But a series is a collection of books with a common theme or problem. So The Darkness series has a common theme of there's no electricity in their world because of the end of the world event, not to give too much away, and everything revolves around that, but also has the same characters throughout.

So that's how you can do a series. There are two types of series, though. There's an episodic series, which has a single center story all the way through it. So, you have those usual like mystery stories where you have the same, detective going through of everything. Yeah.

Who done it.

Right. Who done it, but then you have a true standalone, which is just the same character. So, think of it like maybe as a James Bond movie where he has a different mission every time. So, I think I got that straight. I might've, right. Might have got a little backwards, but you get the idea. Those are the different ones we have.

So now that you understand all the specifics, let me talk about what I think is the pros of writing a novella. So nice thing about a novella is you're not super committed. So I like the fact that I can introduce characters and then if I really, really love them, I can make another book about them. So that's kind of a nice little cheat to see if you're going to like maybe that setting or those characters and not have to write a 140, 000 words, like Kimberly

I see where this podcast is going.

Just gonna beat up on Kimberly today. Oh, man. So anyway, what do you think about novellas? There, Jamey?

Well, for me, novellas are harder to write and I don't know if it's because they're shorter or what, because my books aren't particularly long, but, maybe it's because you don't have as many scenes in it, but I struggle a little bit with them because I want to make sure that the story is complete.

And novellas that I have written are, all Christmas stories. Now I've done yeah, I've done, I guess these would be called short stories for anthologies, but they're a little bit longer. Most of my novellas are, I'd say, 35, 000 to 40, 000 words. So, they're like, half a book, something like that, maybe a little bit more.

But I just find them difficult because you won't have a whole lot of characters in it because you don't want to lose the reader. You don't want them to not know what's going on or who's who. So yeah, they're not my favorite. I'll put it that way.

Yeah, and as we all know, I have not written a novella because I've tried to write a couple short stories, for anthologies and I found that so difficult and I can't even imagine stopping my book, you know, at a lower word count like you have to for a novella. I don't think I could do it. So, I don't even try.

I think a short story is even harder to write

It is. It's painful.

It is, it's kind of painful for me too. And we have those anthologies. I've been in several and, but I really feel like the short stories that, that I've written for them, you know, suck.

Yeah, because they say you have 5,000 words.

Oh, I can't I, that 5,000 word one we did for that anthology together. Oh my God.

It's like achoo. It's over.

Yeah, exactly. Achoo the one girl looked at the other and they sneezed and that was the end. 

Yeah, I went to the bedroom. Fade to black.

Let's ask our listeners, though, if they enjoy short stories and what they consider, a good short story, because maybe that's it. I just find them a little bit difficult.

Yeah,

And I have one other thing about novellas as a reader, before I started writing, if I looked at the novella I would actually scan, to see how many pages the book was. And if it was only like 75 or 35 pages or 80 pages, I would look right over it. Like that wasn't something I was interested in purchasing and reading.

Oh, well, I don't mind reading them. Yeah. 

KC.

That's one of the benefits of a novella. It has a less of a reader commitment. So, if they want to pick it up on Kindle Unlimited and then spend a couple hours reading the book, they can find out if they like that author or not. Or if you're buying it, they're usually a lot cheaper. So that's another nice thing about novellas is for, you know, a couple bucks you can get a novella before you go in and start spending $10 a book and see if you actually like the author.

Right. Yeah. I'm always afraid that I'm not giving them, my best or if the stories complete. 

I just like to read a longer book, but that's just me. Right? Subjective. So…

That must be why she writes longer books.

Yeah, maybe. I kind of like novellas. 

You're supposed to write what you want to read. 

So yeah, there you go. Yeah, maybe. Cause I do enjoy a good novella as long as it has a good, you know, Beginning, middle, and end.

Let's move on to full length. Okay, so you like a full-length novel. That's fine. One of the benefits that I've found from an author perspective, and I'll say this not necessarily because I'm greedy, but because you make a lot more money with a full-length novel. For those who know anything about royalties, it has to do with the percentage of how much you charge for the book.

The cover price. And of course, a $2.99 book does not make nearly as much as a $7.99 book. So full length novels do make a big difference when it comes to royalties.

Yeah, and it takes a little bit more time, obviously, to write a full-length novel. But I think the money that you'll make, justifies that time commitment. Because, yeah, they really do make, more money than a novella does.

Yeah. And I think that you have longer time to, develop the characters and then have a lot of plot twists so that they weave throughout the book and at the end you get the conclusion to everything I like to write romantic suspense, so... 

mm hmm. 

It's a little more exciting for me that way, to write.

And that's kind of a reader expectation. Most people who are looking for a book to read are not looking for a novella. They're looking for a full length, complete novel that gives them lots of character development, lots of world building, so that they can really get, a big bite of what the story's about.

So yeah, absolutely. Yep. I like to write a standalone. I alternate between both series and standalones. But, yeah, I like a good standalone. I guess the greatest compliment on a standalone would be when you get a review or a reader reaches out and says they wish that it could just keep going or that they knew what the characters are doing now.

So that's kind of like the ultimate compliment if you write a standalone.

They want more. 

That's right. I think that's the seal of approval as if they say they want another one. Yeah. So, I guess we're talking now about standalone versus series. So, a pro of a standalone as an author is less commitment. I can write it, and if I don't absolutely, positively love it, I am done. There's no more of that. 

I like that. It's like the one and done. That's perfect. 

Yeah. Yeah. The one and done. If it's characters that irritate you at the end, you do not have to keep going. So that's kind of a nice thing about, and some of them do. Okay. 

I know... 

Your characters irritate you...Sometimes.

What! 

Yeah, sometimes it can get a little needy and it's just like… 

And you're like, the end. Goodbye. I'm so glad I don't have to look at you anymore.

Wow.

I will not name the book that irritated me the most, but it did take place on a road trip.

Oh, I do remember that one. Man, I love all of my characters I'd love to have a big old Christmas party with all of them there, I’m telling you 

That would be fun. 

Oh, fun. Yeah, the darkness ones for sure. I mean, there's some that I absolutely, positively love. 

I could just hear some of them though now. Why exactly did you want us to do that? We could have been doing

yeah. 

you know.

I just think it would be fun though. 

Long? 

though. 

Yeah, why'd we take so long to have sex? Come on now, you're killing me here. Yeah, but I do like writing a standalone. And some are longer than others. You just never know. Whatever completes the story. 

And another nice thing, I don't know about you, what's the longest series you've written, Jamey? Four books?

Yeah. And it was only supposed to be three, but. Yeah. It ended up being four because, readers reached out to me and wanted it. But yeah, I do a three-book series and I'll talk about those in a minute on how they came about. 

Also known as a trilogy. 

I was gonna ask Kimberly. She also did a four-book series, right? So. The biggest issue with a series, in my opinion, after writing a six-book series especially, is continuity. I don't know about y'all... but

Oh my God

even,

You keep spreadsheets and you

I do, but, man, even just figuring out what time of year it could possibly be.

How much time has passed since the world ended? Hell, if I know, let me go look at my spreadsheet.

I know.

At least you have a spreadsheet. I have to read all my books all over again. 

yes. 

I want to kill myself.

Those story bibles come in mighty handy. You may want to have a couple

Yeah, really

of those laying around if you're going to write a long series.

Who died? Wait, who died? Are they dead? Check if he's dead.

Oh, check if he's dead.

Well, that means you shouldn't kill them in the first place. 

Yeah. 

Miss suspense writer.

In the vampire books though, people die. And so, I'm like, wait, is this person alive or dead? I have to go check. I think he died in book two, but I don't have a cliff note thing. So

Oh, man. And your books are not short. That's a lot of commitment to go back and read those

Yeah, really? 

guys again.

That's when you go to the Google doc and use the find.

What I did is actually continuity wise, not so much in the same series, but actually is the same last name in two books. 

It was just, 

Oh no

I really liked the last name Kennedy, apparently.

Well, let me tell you what I did on one of my series. I wrote the first book and they're sisters. And so, I knew the next book was going to be about one of the sisters. And the third was. I don't know what in the fuck I was thinking, the first one happened over a year.

And instead of starting where that one stopped, I did each one starting where that one started. So, the, prologue in each one is the same. And so, you follow them for the year. And so, the same scenes were in all three books, 

Oh my. But from a different POV by different POV by different people when they were all in one scene.

What were you thinking?

It was a lot of fun until I got to the third book and I was like, what was I thinking? But you know what? I got to write this epic epilogue in the third book. And, my readers loved it because you don't see that very often. I kind of wanted to do something different, but it was three books over the same year period with six people and what happened to them. 

Wow. 

So, it was cool after I got through it all.

That is very cool. I did not know you 

Yeah. 

did that. That sounds extremely 

mm hmm. 

difficult. It 

does, it sounds

painful, but 

 It turned, out fun. 

yeah.

 I do mine sequentially. Where one book ends, the next one starts.

 I try to do that, but yeah, continuity can be a real problem, even just keeping the hair color the same, the eye color the same, who's, who says who, and who's got sisters, and who's, uh, just shoot me now.

So, 

Yep. That's why 

four is way too long. just too many.

Six, try six, man. No way! I even, 

I threw a novella in my six, because I was just like, 

 book five is a novella, you know, 

You're so tired 

people were crying for another book and I'm like, here you go. Here's, here's 50, 000 words. Leave me alone. So

Yeah. You're like out here done. But I want to do a shout out to TB because isn't one of her series, like 11 books long. 

Oh, yeah.

What is it? A woman Lost? Yeah, it's the Lizzie series. 

Yeah. 

Man. 

And I am like, 

bet it is. wow, that's amazing. 

now. 

There's some people

She's had 

a 

few novellas in there too. 

on that series. 

Oh she has. Okay. Some people have long series. I don't know how they 

do it. Yeah. I think Cheryl Hancock, She's got a huge, like 24 book series. It's like crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's just.

Yeah,

And Max too. Right.

Oh, yeah. 

And they say people can't wait to read the

next 

know 

you 

know, 

They go 

right up the list. top 

 Ten.

I think they put them out pretty regularly so they don't have to reread stuff. The reader can remember what's happening in it, and go from there. 

And I think it's easier for a reader if they do like series because they know what they're getting. So if they really liked the first book and the second book, as soon as they see the third or fourth come out, they just get it right away because they already know the world too. And the character.

So they know that's going to be something that they enjoy. So it's easier to buy, really. It's not starting new.

Let me ask y'all when you have, written series, did you start out to write a series or did you start out with a standalone and then other characters came along and you thought, Oh, I can make this into a series.

Mm hmm. Definitely with the Darkness series. That first book was a one and done. I even kind of ended in a way where you would not necessarily expect another book.

Yeah. I do like those four characters in that one.

Hmm. Yeah. Then they came knocking. Hello, we have 

more for you to tell. So then it was a trilogy and now it's six books.

I can't stop.

I started mine. I knew I wanted to write a series, but I didn't think it was going to be four books. I thought it was going to just be three, but it turned into four. 

Did you know in the beginning your books were going to be this long? Or did it surprise you.

The first book I kind of knew, but then the other books I thought it was going to go down and down and it just kept going. They went down a little bit, but not that much. I actually got tickled because I had one reader write and say, I did not like that book three was a little shorter.

It was 300 pages, I think, or 298 or something like that. I got so tickled by that. 

Yeah. 

I was like, short!

Come on. Not compared to mine, which we're lucky to get to 250. I mean, geez.

Here's a fun fact about my series. when my very first debut novel was, a standalone and I don't even know how the series thing came about, but I, love working out. And at one time I thought, man, it would be so fun to own a fitness center.

And so, you know, the little light bulb goes off and I thought, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to write a book about a fitness center and I'm going to have these three pals that own it and each one of them is going to get a story. 

That's how my first series came about. And I was really surprised I pulled it off because at that time, I just done one book and I wasn't sure. Well, I'm still not sure. I know what I'm doing, but, uh, but that's how that series started. And then my last series with those three sisters. I drive by this little shopping center every day on my way to work and, and on my way home.

And I kind of watched them build it. And it was these, just these three stores in the shopping center. And I've been kind of playing with the idea of doing a book in a beauty salon. And it just came to me. I thought, okay, I'm going to put a beauty shop in there and we're going to put two other businesses in there.

And that's going to be the basis for this series. And they're all going to be sisters. And that's how that one came about.

It's just funny to me where you get inspiration you just don't know how it's going to come to you.

For sure.

Yeah, I see things on TV a lot that will catch my eye, on PBS or something, and I'll just say, Oh, that could be a good book, you know?

mm hmm, mm 

hmm.

Yeah. With my lesbian billionaire series, I was just looking at popular books and there's all these books about toy boy, billionaire, sexy guys on all the covers. And I'm like, know what? We're going to make lesbians do that. We're having some lesbian billionaires.

Yay. 

Yeah.

that was, 

that was a

series. 

Yeah.

The billionaire books do well. Not as well as some of those boy ones do, but yeah, they do pretty well.

When I first started writing, I would do a standalone, and then I would do a three book series. And that usually lasted a year. And then I would start again. And this past year, for the first time, I don't really know why it happened, but I'd finished a series.

Usually, I published the third book in a series in January. And then I'll give you some kind of a standalone in the spring, which I did. And then I was like, well, I don't feel a series coming on. So, I did another, standalone, because I had this idea of these warring landscapers, and so that's where that came from, so I, I haven't done a back to back standalone before, but I did it this year,

When I did Mafia Girl, that was a standalone, I think I'm gonna do a mix. But I think I'm gonna start doing, if I do series, I was talking about this earlier, that I'm gonna make it the two-book series, which I just learned they call duology. So...

I did not know that, 

Who knew? I just call it two book series people.

But

Sounds kind of kinky to me, but do all

I know it does 

actually. Uh oh. 

does kind of. Okay.

I think that's what I saw anyway.

I'm still stuck in last week's episode. Sex baby.

Oh yeah, that was one other thing Jules said, that made me laugh. She said that she was out somewhere and she used the word moist, but it was in reference to brownies. I want everyone to know, but, um,

Well, that, that works.

but she said it made her laugh because she thought of our podcast and I was like, oh my gosh.

There you go. Never gonna look at moist the same way 

again. That's right. 

But are those brownies moist? Yeah.

oh well, forget that. My head went on a tangent.

Oh, hey, one other thing I want to bring up about series is when I write one, I try to make each book a complete book. So, if somebody doesn't want to read books two and three, or somebody doesn't want to read the first book, for example, they'll still know what's going on when they grab books two and three. Because, what I do is I take two characters and write their romance, and then I take two more characters that were in the first book, that were just the friends, or mentioned, or whatever, and write their romance in the same thing, so, you can read any of them and still, get a complete book. 

You'd hate to have so much going on that they have to read all, three or four books to, to enjoy the last one.

So, my books, with V.A.M.P., whether they're four books, it's the same characters all the way through. But I do each book so it's happy for now. And then the very end is like the big crescendo with all the fun, everything that everyone always wanted.

The fireworks. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Well, I've written both kinds. I have my Ruby series. They're standalones. You can pick up any Ruby book at any time and be fine reading them. But if you pick up my billionaires you kind of need to read the other ones first. Or you're going to be like, What the hell is going on?

So, I try to make them as standalone as possible. And when I do write them, I try to reference back so that I can catch them up if for some strange reason they commit sacrilege and read a book series out of order, then, you know, that's, I don't know who would ever do that.

But, if you do that, I try to make sure they don't get completely lost.

Yeah, and on the covers, I try to make a point to say book one, book two, so 

hopefully they catch on that that means, oh, this is book one and I should 

read 

book two next.

The book I'm writing right now is book two in the series. It's always hard for me at the beginning of books, two or three, when you start, because you're like, okay, how much do they need to know about what happened before? 

Yeah. 

And so you're, you're like, Oh, do they need to know that?

Should we stick that part in there? And it just kind of bogs down until you get going.

Yeah, you don't want to upset the readers who have been reading the whole series and they have to skip the first chapter because it's all recap. That's really not fun.

Right. They’re annoyed by that.

Exactly. 

Yeah. Which, annoying the readers is another thing with series sometimes, is they can kind of get burned out. So, some of these series are super long and people love them and they read all 24 books or whatever, but I also know some people, like myself, who can only manage to get through like book 6, maybe 5 or 6, and then it's just like, I can't deal with these characters anymore.

So, you can have reader burnout if you go too far, and I worry about that with the Darkness series. I don't know how long it's going to continue, because I don't want people to be like, okay, she's on book 22, and we really don't care what Taylor's doing anymore. So…

But I might care what Annie's doing because I like her better than Taylor. So

 or Lex, cause I like them better. 

I know 

Taylor is you. So

just saying, 

I wish. 

I'm not a 

superhero. Yeah, right. She's my fantasy person. 

I will say for those of you, if you haven't read any of my series, you want to read all three because there's always a great ending, that kind of involves all three books at the end of the third book.

I thought you were going to say all the characters. 

Just a little

Just a little hint. Just a little hint. 

All the characters, like a big ol never mind. I

Oh, 

Are you going to imply an orgy?

Yeah, 

to say 

back in last week's episode 

good 

Jamey writes sweet, happy romances with orgies at the end, so make sure you get on that.

Hey, you know what? Maybe I can use that as the tagline.

There's a pool party at the end.

Yeah there, you go.

That's a good tag line... 

You guys are so much fun. 

 Okay. So for next week, we're talking about our goals in 2025. 

Oh, so now I have to come up with some goals for 2025. Okay. So y'all know what I'll be doing this week.

Okay Yeah. Good luck. And that leads me to the question. So, for everybody out there who's listening, what are your goals for 2025? And it can be personal goals if you're not necessarily an author, or if you're an author, you can give us your writing goals, but tell us what you're gonna be working on and we can share ours with you next week.

And that's it for this week. So, thanks for listening.

Thanks for listening.

Thank you and we'll see you next week. Bye. 

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